Jaime Snell is the founder of Eco Crates of America and The Eco Mama Podcast.
Jaime lives in the Upstate of South Carolina in the USA. She is a mom to three, happily married, and sharing her life passions while putting them to good use for the greater good.
She developed her footing by receiving a B.A. in Business Management and a master's Degree in International Business from the University of Florida.
She enjoyed working many years with the Ritz-Carlton in South Florida before pursuing her passion for holistic wellness as a buyer for Whole Foods Market. After taking time off from her career to focus on her family, she put her energies into developing her own company, Eco Crates of America. This organization provides a monthly subscription program of carefully curated items for your home that are safe and non-toxic, and eco-friendly.
Additionally, Jaime provides a wealth of knowledge on a full range of products and lifestyle habits through her blog and various social media channels that benefit the family home and the Earth. Including a recently launched podcast, The Eco Mama Podcast. In the podcast, she shares personal stories of her family's journey to living a low-tox life and education on harmful ingredients we should all avoid in our everyday products.
When Jaime is not busy in the mom life of her three young children and managing her company, you will find her walking barefoot in her garden or sipping coffee while listening to the river flow just beyond her property.
Jaime's motto is "The little things we do in life today have a ripple effect on the lives of others. So I strive to create as many positive ripples as possible in this life that I can."
Jamie Snell 0:01
This one is really key for me, teach your children how to care for the earth as if it were a part of the family. Like when it's literally like, would you leave that in your grandma's living room? No, let's pick it up. Let's take it to the trash can, let's take it with us. Just having that respect for the earth as much as they do for those they love really, really makes an impact. Yeah. And that leads into being an example for sustainable leading to others, especially children, because you're going to want them to pay it forward when it's their time to be the leaders for our country, avoid personal care and home cleaning products that contain, these are like my top four that I avoid at all costs, there's a big list that I have on my website called the 'no thank you list' that we strive to avoid, but these top four; avoid fragrances, parabens, phthalates, and sulphates. sulphates are also called SLS or sodium lauryl sulphate. This is huge. We talked about this earlier, seek quality over quantity, just that alone will help you spend less, grab less, less impulsive buying.
Katherine Ann Byam 1:02
This is Season Five, the great debates of our times, Season Five will be centred around the great debates. And we will be comparing and contrasting different viewpoints on various topics that are consuming the public discourse at present. The reason I've decided to take this approach is because, we or at least many of us, are losing the skill of debate. And I think this is an essential skill for us all to practice once more. I don't see how we get to the point of saving the world and saving our planet, if we don't know how to discuss our differences. I also think that the solution to most of our challenges is somewhere in the spectrum of views but never at either extreme. I will be working with guests to curate the content and discuss beforehand, I will understand their positions, their areas of genius, and navigate my questions around that so that the conversation is challenging and stimulating without being combative. I hope you enjoy Season Five of Where Ideas Launch; The Sustainable Innovation Podcast. Jamie Snell is the founder of Eco Crates of America and the Eco Mama podcast. Jamie lives in the upstate of South Carolina in the US. She's a mom of three, happily married and sharing her life passions, while putting them to good use for the greater good. She developed her footing by receiving a BA in business management and a master's degree in International Business from the University of Florida. And she enjoyed working many years with the Ritz Carlton in South Florida before pursuing her passion for holistic wellness as a buyer for the Whole Foods Market. After taking time off from her career to focus on her family, she put her energies into developing her own company, Eco Crates of America. This organisation provides a monthly subscription programme of carefully curated items for your home that are safe and non toxic, and eco friendly. Jamie, welcome to Where Ideas Launch.
Jamie Snell 2:53
Thank you so much, Katherine, I'm so happy to be here.
Katherine Ann Byam 2:56
It's really an honour to have you and it's an honour to see a business, like yours that has grown and scaled because I have a number of people who've wanted to start this type of idea but haven't quite caught on to the scaling part of this yet. So it's going to be really interesting to jump into all this with you. I'm really excited. Let's understand a bit about your background. I know you talked about your, your academics and where you worked before coming to sustainability, but tell us what brought you to this part of your journey.
Jamie Snell 3:24
My journey truly began when I became a mom. Before that I had an interest in sustainability, healthy nutrition, and took a holistic approach to living. But it wasn't really until my first child arrived, that these interests became a passion. So in all honesty, you could say I almost stumbled into the lifestyle. As a new mom, I wanted to stay home with our newborn, my husband relented and we had, we had to make great sacrifices and transitioning to a one family income. So in doing so, playing home more, we cooked more at home, or I should say I cooked more at home. I also began making homemade cleaning products, homemade personal care products, just learning the core ingredients of these things. And over time, I realised not only how much waste that I was no longer putting out, our family was no longer putting out but also the money that we were saving, and we felt better physically and emotionally. So that was like all these wins that came from it. And I so I kept it up. When our second child was born, I took it to the next level and I made everything from scratch from our home goods to our personal care. I mean bread, sauces, I mean all of our baby food. She was in cloth diapers and we had homoeopathic remedies for everything. I started learning about the food colouring that was in medicines and I just got really intentional about everything I brought in and did for our kids. So by the time the third child came along Now mind you, each one is 19 months apart. So while I'm still breastfeeding one I have another in diapers and then I finished breastfeeding, she's still in diapers and then I have a third, you know, so then I got two in diapers again. And it was just a whirlwind, it was really, there was very little time for myself much less to keep up all of the sustainable lifestyle that I had created for myself and our family. So I had to figure out a shift making everything wasn't sustainable. As I mentioned, with the time and energy that I had. So I had a choice, I could either burn out or I could seek balance. And thankfully, I chose balance, because who needs to burn out when you have three little kids at home? And at the time, I had a little bit of postpartum depression I didn't, you sometimes you don't know that until you look back. But anyway, what happened was, we've bought a new house, or we've actually bought our first house together when my son was about five months old, and he developed a staph infection on his upper thigh. Now he was in the cloth diapers that I had used on my second child and used all of them more of the general gender neutral diapers, no matter what we did, who we saw, this staph infection would not go away. It lingered for months. And you know, as a mom, I'm like, What did I do wrong? I'm freaking out. Well, one day, I just decided to test a theory or new home had well water. And that's how we washed our diapers in the washing machine with the well water, we didn't have a special separate pump, we didn't have city water. And we didn't have a special filter. And I realised, over time that it was the well water, what I was laundering his diapers with. So I switched him to conventional diapers at that time when I was doing the test. And then we stayed that way. But thankfully, by then, there were better options for disposable diapers, there were more biodegradable options. Of course, these natural brands cost a bit more. But my priorities at this time in my life were optimal health, minimal waste and proactive measures. So it was worth spending a little more on that for me and then doing without others things at the time. So then I continued this journey seeking practical solutions that met our comfort needs, but also had a minimal footprint in our everyday lives.
Katherine Ann Byam 6:51
It's interesting, because in your background, like before coming to motherhood, it didn't seem like you had a background in sustainability. So what was your epiphany moment when you decided to make it a business?
Jamie Snell 7:04
Along this journey, it's very rare for me to meet like a kindred soul that had a similar passion for clean ingredients and love to the earth. And the rare times that I did, we were instant friends. But it just, it was there weren't enough people for me to talk about these things. So the more I learned about eco friendly sustainability, I just had this desire to help everyone I knew, understand that there was a link between the daily products that we were using, the trash that we were accumulating, and our physical and environmental health like it all ties them together, it starts from the home, how we live our lives every single day of those little habits. But unfortunately, the eyes of my audience usually glazed over as I mentioned, like just not enough kindred souls in my circle, I just couldn't understand why others could not see how we were harming ourselves with the products we were using, the harmful ingredients in these products, and how their aftermath was also wreaking havoc on our forever home; Earth. Over time, I realised that it was too big of a picture for people to see, it was kind of an 'aha' moment like, I'm out here preaching and they can't see that big picture. So I started talking about little things I needed to bring it back home, I brought it back into my own house. And then I took it from my house to yours, to share my journey. And it's to encourage others how a healthy family begins with a healthy home, a home with fewer toxins equals a life with fewer chemicals. And that was more digestible. And my message was starting to be heard. And I finally felt like this mission that was inside of me, was coming to fulfilment. And I just picture like if every family made just one change for the better, that our Earth would have a greater chance of surviving, from COVID, that was very evident that Mother Earth can heal itself or can heal herself. She just needs time. All it really could take is one family to focus on making one change at a time. Some examples could be going plastic free for one month, switching to personal care products made without phalates or fragrances or even seeking more sustainable furnishings - buying secondhand Not everything has to be new, the demand for more caustic productions of goods would eventually shift from harmful toxic ingredients to sustainable practices or in toxin free solutions. So I have all this passion. I'm learning this knowledge, I'm starting to speak the language. The business evolved, because I know how hard making changes is, especially if you're a busy mom or you're working full time. So many of us get stuck in our comfort zones or we're too busy to learn new habits, especially when it comes to researching our products and finding different brands that we've never heard of before. Can we really trust them, was the quality worth it? So that is why I created Eco Crates of America.
Katherine Ann Byam 9:50
Yeah, I love that. A question on this because when I look at the metrics and the scores and results of where we are in terms of warming and everything else, you know, we've been talking about this, I'd say aggressively since 2015. Right? I mean, of course, the conversation has been going on for much longer, but aggressively this has been in the news all the time. You know, there's, there's climate change, there's climate, fear, eco anxiety, we've been talking about it for like seven years non stop, yet, we're still seeing things trending up. So what's not working in your view? What's what's the problem with the transition at the moment?
Jamie Snell 10:22
As far as sustainability transitions, I will be honest with you, I'm a dreamer. I often have very high expectations, and sometimes unrealistic expectations, I can't always tell the two apart, but I never stopped shooting for the moon. So I'm a big dreamer. And I just do the best I can every day, I would love to see more consumers shift to a quality over quantity mindset. And just to start there, just a small thing about quality versus quantity. Seek safer ingredients, and support small local businesses as much as possible. If enough individuals can make the shift, thent our economy can start to shift to strengthen and support itself, again, that are what I call sustainable at heart, they have a reason to make a clean product, or to do a service that benefits the earth and people they can lead in providing these consumers with what they want and need. So you don't have to go bare minimum, I am not a let's move out into the middle of the woods and live off the land. It sounds ideal. But that's just too much work for me. I like my creature comforts. So knowing the needs versus the wants, and then finding that happy medium, the less eco minded corporations and companies will need to scramble to improve their sustainability options.
Katherine Ann Byam 11:41
Really powerful stuff. And I like the dream. I mean, I think it's I think it's important to have to have these big goals and dreams because it pushes you it really pushes you to do more to do more than you ever thought you could so really appreciate that. From the perspective of measuring success, and this is a conversation I tend to have with all my guests around how we determine the metrics for success, how we determine if we're impacting, we're doing what we think we wanted to set out to do, what are your thoughts and reflections on success? And also, if you can share with us what surprised you on your journey as well.
Jamie Snell 12:15
I find one of the greatest successes is when I see and receive the excitement and support of like minded business owners and individuals that believe in my dreams, the surprises occur when how much joy I receive from the 'aha' moment of friends and customers, when they begin to see how sustainable they can be and think differently and understand the power. It's just one person and the vast difference they can make, even with a tiny change in habits.
Katherine Ann Byam 12:42
And what about challenges and obstacles? Like I totally know that every business does not start as a growing, thriving business. And I know that you mentioned about you know how successful you have, you have been in terms of growing this and getting this going. But what have been the obstacles and things that got in your way? And how did you overcome them?
Jamie Snell 13:02
So technically, I've been in business for a year and a half, but I've been selling boxes for maybe 14 months now. And one of my biggest obstacles was getting in front of the extensive, like an extensive base of ideal customers. And speaking the language that resonated with them. I've been on this journey so long, I see it more of as an eco friendly, sustainable journey. But busy mamas don't have time to think about the Earth, they are busy changing diapers and trying to get dinner on the table and wondering when the last time they had a full night's sleep is. But what they do want, is like the best for their kids, they want a healthy environment. If they knew about the chemicals, they'd probably be too scared to use anything ever again. So it's taking this approach of language that helps them see, entices them to want to learn a little bit more without being scared off. So learning that language of health, healthy home and healthy family versus eco friendly and sustainability. So making that shift so that I could be heard, it's what some people might call dog whistles, that the people that I've been trying to get to, they, they get it, they understand it because they do want that, they just didn't know what it was called. The other struggle. And I'm, this, I'm not alone in this, this is with every startup, is that, you know, finding the excess funding to go above and beyond inventory and operational cost. So it would be really nice to have the money to pay someone to help me so that I could focus on the growth part. And they can start doing the day to day functions of the business that I have established in the past year. Things like social media, customer service, so that I can get out there and you know, start communicating and I'm going to share here, this would be a really great time, I recently did a boot camp with my community and the city that I live in. And they were wonderful and it was very intensive the very first day we looked at the business we tried to find out where are my sore points like what am I missing and what should I be focusing on, and they talked about business to business and business to business is done quite a bit in the subscription box industry. And of course I wanted to do that, that was on on the backburner. That's something I would get to later once I had a bigger following and a larger stronghold and, you know, just more established, so to speak, so that they could see that I had something to offer. And they convinced me like, you don't need to wait. You already have so much to offer. There are so many companies out there that are, they're sustainably aligned, but they don't have time to do all that research on how to practice that in their everyday workplace and run their business. So why don't you reach out and see about corporate gifting or corporate bundling. And that very day they had me make phone calls, and I have two contracts already with corporate gifting, one with corporate gifting, and one with corporate bundling, aligning with these existing sustainable corporations, are, we align, like what we believe, what our goals are, they just happen to be doing something bigger scale, and I am doing something smaller scale, but we benefit from each other. So that is something that's like a, you would talk about the obstacles, but moving forward and talking to more people about those obstacles. That's something that entrepreneurs do, we don't talk about the problems enough, we need to be able to talk about the problems to work through them, because you never know who can help you on the other side, or who's gonna inspire you to do something maybe you're scared to do. And that is the pivot you needed to make for your business to start thriving.
Katherine Ann Byam 16:16
I think what, what happens, what tends to happen, we go online to find that support for our business. But often, you know, like, we have some service based entrepreneurs trying to help product based entrepreneurs, but the dynamics of the business are very different. And what we really need is, is you know, those business owners that are doing similar things to really share, to have that place that safe space to come and talk about the problems and work through it together as opposed to have someone pitch you something that you don't need. Right?
Jamie Snell 16:43
Exactly, exactly. So it's the connection in the community where you grow together, and you thrive together because you have that common goal with whatever your business may be. So I think community is critical when you're trying to overcome obstacles and challenges.
Katherine Ann Byam 16:55
Absolutely. So tell us about what's next for Eco Crates of America. And in fact, for you.
Jamie Snell 17:01
Well, as I said, I'm a dreamer. I like to have a big lofty goals. When I set out my business model, in the very beginning, I set out a goal that within five years time, that I would have 700 recurring monthly subscribers. This meant that I would be reaching 700 homes every single month, with products, home cleaning, personal care, developed relationships with these small businesses, helping them grow, shining the light on them for the goodness they are providing, I would also like to have accumulated at least $5,000 cash to give as an award to a budding ecoproenur, I have a 1% Give Back Programme, so 1% of all profits are set aside. And then I'd like to have that build enough to get to be able to help someone else get on their feet that wants to start a sustainable business. And then finally, I really enjoy working with people one on one, offering virtual coaching, you know, directly to individuals and families that they need a little hand holding, because God knows I do sometimes to, like starting something new, I don't always have the confidence to just do it, I need someone to hold my hand walk me through the first three steps. And then I've got it from there. So if I could be that service to someone in addition to, you know, I can lead them to the water, but sometimes they want me to help them crawl into the water to, so having the time to be able to do that to help them create a home with fewer toxins that don't really know where to start.
Katherine Ann Byam 18:25
Well, you know what I would like, you got to write this down because this is a service I would love. I would love someone to ask me to share my shopping list, and then figure out replacements for everything in my shopping list. That for me that would be an awesome service.
Jamie Snell 18:42
Because it takes so much time to go in and figure out which one's gonna work, which ones not. So if you really liked the benefits of this product, you're gonna like this one that has cleaner ingredients. Yeah, send me a copy of your list, and I'll see what I can figure out. I love it. I love it. That sounds like a challenge I would really enjoy.
Katherine Ann Byam 18:59
That's awesome. So tell us a bit about some tips. I know that everyone listening, you know, a lot of people who are listening to this podcast have already started their journey. And they're definitely already doing some things. But still Just give us some Lehman's tips about what we can start with how to how to improve our game in the sustainability space in terms of home products.
Jamie Snell 19:19
Absolutely, I would love to so first thing I'll say no matter how long you're on this journey, there's always more to learn. So never stop sharing with other people. But also have an open heart because you never know who might have a good idea that could be a game changer for you making like a little bit more simpler and still being sustainable not to say that I'm a guru and all of this but I can share some of the tips and tricks that I've learned along the way and that I share with other people that are pretty basic things but some of us just lose sight of it because it's so simple. So one thing could be ditching your body wash for bar soap, there's less plastic right there. Start eating at home more often, shop your local farmers market instead of the large chain stores because a lot If their produce if you look at the tags, they're coming from outside of the country, so shop the local farmers markets, but also eat seasonally because that's where you're gonna get your fresh produce, buy from frozen if you must have something that's not in season, not canned, eat less meat. Now I am, I'm definitely a meat eater. I'm not gonna pretend not to be and I would say if bacon wasn't a meat, I might be able to go vegetarian. But bacon does exist. So I don't know how to go about it.
Katherine Ann Byam 20:27
I totally get that. Yeah.
Jamie Snell 20:28
I don't need steak. But bacon. Oh, my goodness. So yeah, eat less processed foodss. I do, do uncured bacon. If that. If that saves anyone there from heart attack, seek organic foods when possible. EWG, I'm sure most most of your listeners know about them. But they had the clean 15 and the Dirty Dozen, put out a new list every year. And they tell you what if you're gonna, if you're limited on budget, and you can only get certain things organic, it'll tell you what's most important to get organic, use paper bags, or reusable bags instead of plastic. This one is really key for me, teach your children how to care for the earth as if it were a part of the family. Like when it's literally like, would you leave that in your grandma's living room? No, let's pick it up. Let's take it to the trash can. Let's take it with us. Just having that respect for the earth as much as they do for those they love really, really makes an impact. Yeah. And that leads into being an example for sustainable leading to others, especially children, because you're going to want them to pay it forward when it's their time to be the leaders for our country.
Katherine Ann Byam 21:28
I love this. Yeah,
Jamie Snell 21:29
Thank you. Just a couple more I have here avoid personal care and home cleaning products that contain, these are like my top four that I avoid at all costs, there's a big list that I have on my website called the 'no thank you' list that we strive to avoid. But these top four avoid fragrances, parabens, phthalates, and sulphates. sulphates are also called SLS or sodium lauryl sulphate This is huge. We talked about this earlier, seek quality over quantity, just that alone will help you spend less, grab less, less impulsive buying really does equal more money in the bank and a better Earth. So next time you do need to go to Target, skip that dollar, I think it's a $3 section now, skip by that and avoid the dollar store. Seek quality over quantity. Open more windows, fresh air is so important, our indoor air quality is two to five times worse than the outdoor air quality. And it's because we're stuffing the air, that our homes don't breathe anymore, everyting's made so efficiently, that we don't give it a chance, there's no way for air to escape and come back in. So we have to open the windows to get that fresh air. Reduce, reuse, recycle, repurpose, and refuse. So that's a big thing. Like we've talked about. You've mentioned in the last seven years how the conversation has gotten more prevalent with sustainability. It used to be the three R's. And I think it's technically it's like the seven R's now, but these are the five R's that I still like strive by: give up fast fashion, this can be hard for some people, especially if you like your fufu stuff, but let me tell you, if you just get a few articles that are very well made, you can still have a very nice wardrobe, you don't need to be buying things every time you go out. I have an aunt who literally, God bless her heart, but she loves to go to Walmart, and Target and the department store in the mall. And she just loves finding sales. And that's her hobby. And it kills me because she has more than she ever needs. And it's all fast fashion. Finally, I have here in my, on my list of things, tips and tricks is and this is this is the biggest, the biggest changer; know the companies that you're giving your money to, ask yourself are they align with what I believe? Are my values inline with their values? Know that you and only you as an individual have the power to vote with your dollar. And you work hard for that money. So I suggest you make it count.
Katherine Ann Byam 23:48
I love all of this stuff. And I don't want to challenge you. But I do want to put a challenge out there probably to everyone because I know what some people are going to think, depending on who they are, listening to this stuff. It's like, we've just heard of all the job losses that we've had across big tech, for example, you know, it was what Facebook one day, Amazon another day, you know, and they keep going on and they keep rolling on, Microsoft as well, etc. What can we do? Or how can we think about the world differently to make sure that even when we make these choices to support local etc, that starts creating some kind of havoc in the economy because people are looking away from the big players. How can we make sure that we're taking care of the people around us too, you know?
Jamie Snell 24:34
I have found as I said in the beginning, I was actually saving money when I started making everything myself, if you if you're not working you got a little bit more time on your hands, you can start asking yourself what your needs are versus your wants. So that shift and quality over quantity, and need and want can save you money right there. I took it up a notch in my personal endeavours and I only buy American made when possible. I believe in international trade. Don't get me wrong. I love computers. And television, you can't find electronics here like they make them there. But on the flip side, I can't find clothes here, I can't find food here, those are two basic needs, I don't have to buy stuff that is shipped from, you know, across the ocean, I can just focus on slow, small sustainable options here in my own backyard. And you can do the same for yours. And in doing so, when I chose to only buy American I literally limited so much of what I could buy, I no longer really go to the stores, I don't shop Target anymore. I didn't really like Walmart to begin with. But I don't go to Walmart, I don't need the grocery store still has limited options other than the basic food. But again, I tried to do the farmers markets, we have some local co-ops that we try to get most of our food from. And then there's, that I mean, there there are options out there that are less costly, to be honest with you. And if something, if you're looking at two different products, and one product is safe, and one is not. But this one looks like it's so much more money, I guarantee you the one that is cheap, is dumbed down with extra water or harmful ingredients that are either going to burn through the product a lot faster, or make you pay more for your health insurance in the long run. Because you're not being proactive to take care of your health. So there's, there's an investment in your future. But if you were to, let's say the generic lasts, with the not safe ingredients, it might last two, three weeks, where the quality one that's made with pure essential oils, and maybe it was a concentrate and you add your own water to it, your own safe water, then that could last two, three months. So there's an opportunity cost there. Do you want a cheap right now so you can get what you need and move on? Or do you want to think about slower movement, being proactive with your health, being proactive with your money, like what is the best for investment. And yeah, so try to limit your options by saying need versus want, and quality over quantity. And then seek those things that you can't live without and try and find a more sustainable option that is going to last you longer than the less expensive item that you normally would buy.
Katherine Ann Byam 27:00
That is so powerful. Jamie, you've been amazing. All of your advice and tips are great. And I cannot wait to share this episode with everyone. So let everyone know how they can get in touch with you.
Jamie Snell 27:13
Absolutely. So you have plenty of options. I'm on every platform, you can go to Jaime dot Snell that's ja i m e dot snell at Eco Crates of America.com. I also have a website Eco Crates of America. And we just opened our shop. So we have some surplus items, as well as items that I feel are just important to have around. And they might not have been in a previous crate. But they're available for, for the shop and we're slowly building the shop. So it's like one or two items added per day. So you can visit that at Eco Crates of America.com backslash shop or just go to the main page and click the shop button at the top. Let's see I'm on Facebook, I'm in LinkedIn, if you are a corporation and you're looking for some easy sustainable gifts for your employees, this holiday or year round, give me a call. I do some custom curating as well as duplicating boxes we've done in the past. So I'm on Instagram, I do have a YouTube channel, Pinterest, there's a little bit on Pinterest there. So Eco Crates of America is on all of those. So, you pick your favourite platform and you go see what I've been up to lately on that one.
Katherine Ann Byam 28:16
Fabulous. And I know that roughly 50% of my audience is in the US and the rest of the world. Is there something that you do that could support listeners who are all over the world?
Jamie Snell 28:26
I have a blog where I share information. And I also have a podcast now it's called eco mama podcast. And you can find me on Apple and Spotify, you can also go to eco mama podcast.com and see my latest episode and on that it's very simple, straightforward. Tuesday's is just a simple conversation about what this eco mom has been up to on her journey. Sometimes it's an interview with whether it's industry experts or just a mom who made one change, and the world was better for her. And then on Fridays, for all those that like to geek out over products, I do deep dives on the different ingredients that we tracked, that I strive to avoid as an individual, as a mom and also as a business owner. So on Fridays is when I do the deep dives into what fragrance is and where it's found what phalates are, what else it's known as. So those ingredients and the products that you need to be looking for them. And so that's every Friday, that's maybe five or 10 minute podcast.
Katherine Ann Byam 29:21
Thank you so much, Jamie, and it's been really a pleasure to meet you and to chat with you today. And wish you all the best.
Jamie Snell 29:27
Thank you so much, Katherine, this was wonderful. Thank you for having me on your show.
Katherine Ann Byam 29:35
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